[Barenaked Ladies voice] It’s been one year since we launched this pod!
To celebrate our one-year anniversary and our 25th episode, we’re bringing you things that make us say “Oh, I really like that!” We covered a ton of ground and think it’s fair to say there’s something here for everyone. We talked about movies, Jojo Siwa, coffee bean grinders, house shoes, and way way way more.
This episode was produced by Rachel and Sally and edited by Lucas Nguyen. Our logo was designed by Amber Seger (@rocketorca). Our theme music is by Tiny Music. MJ Brodie transcribed this episode. Follow us on Twitter @OhILikeThatPod.
Things we talked about:
Rachel: Welcome to Oh I Like That, a podcast about things we like and occasionally things we don't. I'm Rachel Wilkerson Miller.
Sally: And I'm Sally Tamarkin.
Rachel: What's up, Sally?
Sally: Well, not much, Rachel. What's your vibe?
Rachel: My vibe is fun fall weekend, and fun fall week actually. So I've got some fun fall plans for the weekend. A couple of our friends are hosting a pumpkin carving party on Sunday in their backyard, so we're going to go to that. And tomorrow we're going to the Sheep & Wool Festival, which to me is a great fall activity though I think it's going to be 75 degrees and rainy, which is the worst of both worlds, so that's a bummer. But I wanted to tell you about what we did last night, which was a fun fall thing. So my girlfriend and I have both been having just sort of, for various reasons, an annoying work week sort of separately. And so I wanted to do something, I don't know, to cheer both of us up and have something to look forward to. And so I suggested, what if for the rest of October, every Thursday night, we pick a different spooky or seasonal movie, and we have a date night and we make a fall treat and then watch the movie.
Sally: Oh my god, that is so cute. I'm obsessed already.
Rachel: I highly recommend it. Last night was so fun, it was our first time doing it, and we made this really delicious pumpkin bread that has walnuts and chocolate chips in it, that was great. And then we watched Death Becomes Her and lit candles and just had a proper movie night, and it was really fun and really mellowed us both out after feeling stressed. And it was just like, oh yeah, it's the season. We've got to capture it while we can.
Sally: I love that. I saw Death Becomes Her in the theater. How does it hold up?
Rachel: Oh my god. It doesn't hold up perfectly in the sense that there is a fat suit utilised in one of the early scenes, which does not hold up, but I've got to say, humor-wise, plot-wise, it's a fucking delight. I love it, and it's a good one this time of year, especially if you don't really like scary movies, I think it's a really good choice. So I just highly recommend planning a little fall specific date that is overall very low effort. It will pay off dividends, so.
Sally: Man, I love that. I, obviously, am not going to be able to do that in time for October to be over. But as you said, it is quite warm where we are, so maybe November is an okay time to celebrate the fall.
Rachel: I think it is. I think that every year I'm like, oh, I thought October would be colder, and it's not, and November is when it happens. So I think we're just going to keep doing this maybe even through Thanksgiving. And if the movie isn't explicitly Halloween, I feel like You've Got Mail still is. I think as long as it's autumnal and captures that spirit, I think that totally counts.
Sally: Yeah, if there are sweaters worn, you're golden.
Rachel: Yes. I feel like a Knives Out would work here.
Sally: Yeah, absolutely. That's a really good call. I love that, and I think actually, I was going to say something else for my vibe check. I was going to talk about how I am post two weddings that both required, not heavy travel but some travel, and very much lovely weddings, lovely people, beautiful, gorgeous, full of love.
Rachel: Lovely.
Sally: In every way. And I'm looking very forward to not getting in the car this weekend, also not dressing up and just being the sweatpants-wearing trash bag that I normally am.
Rachel: [Laughs] Yeah.
Sally: So I guess that is what I'm talking about for my vibe check. But while you were talking, I realized I want to do something seasonal too, which is, my vibe has lately been, I wish I could watch horror movies because it seems like a really fun... Look, it's no secret, Rachel, we love a seasonal thing to do.
Rachel: Love it, love it.
Sally: Now, the most seasonal thing you can possibly do in the fall is watch scary shit. Now, I don't like being scared and I am scared very easily, so I'm not a candidate for horror movies. However, first of all, movies like you're talking about like Death Becomes Her, is a really good call for something that has a Halloween vibe but it is not scary. But a friend of mine told me about this podcast called Ruined, which basically it's two co-hosts, one of them watches a horror movie and the other one, I think, doesn't and is too scared to, and the first one just tells the second person about the entire thing.
Rachel: That sounds great.
Sally: So it's amazing. It has allowed me to get familiar with cultural touchstones as Midsommar.
Rachel: I read that whole Wikipedia entry.
Sally: [Laughs] Right. You get it, you get me.
Rachel: Yep.
Sally: Midsommar, also The Conjuring and a few other ones that I've always felt like, as someone who enjoys watching things and consuming cultural products and talking about them, I was missing out on something really big by missing out on horror movies, but now I don't really have to miss out. So I'm just going to shoehorn that into my vibe check and say vibe is like finding a way to be seasonal and accommodate my fears at the same time.
Rachel: Okay. Actually, before we move on, I have a couple of other thoughts in this realm. First of all, I'm similarly, I don't really like being scared. I definitely don't like anything gory, so the most I'll go for is a good ghost story kind of a deal. But on the whole, I just avoid it because what's the point? So first of all, I want to share the other movies that we've got plans to watch. So we're thinking Beetlejuice.
Sally: Great.
Rachel: And The Addams Family, which both feel appropriately seasonal, but I don't think we're going to be scared by them. We try to re-watch -- I had seen it, my girlfriend hadn't -- we tried to watch Hocus Pocus and we were just like, this is actually not that good. This is too for children. I think people like this for the nostalgia of it all. So I'm hoping that Addams Family and Beetlejuice will be a little bit more, I don't know, just all ages versus for kids. So I've got those. And then when we were driving back from Acadia, to and from, but when we were driving back, we listened to a couple of old episodes of You're Wrong About that are, one is specific to urban legends, and then another, I think, is their Halloween episode and they talk about murders that inspired famous horror movies, real world murders. The urban legends one is great. I highly recommend it, and it felt like it really struck that balance between, it's seasonal and I want to be a little freaked out, but also, I don't want to be scared. And I actually thought it was super helpful because if you're somebody who is scared of a lot of things, this actually puts it in context of why urban legends get around and why we get afraid of the things we're afraid of at a certain time. So I really recommend both of those episodes and I'll link to them in the show notes, but it's another good way to do October without scaring the shit out of yourself. Oh, I should have also mentioned we're going to watch Clue, that's the other one that's on the list.
Sally: Okay, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Rachel: It's really good, and I haven't seen it in years. I'm very pumped for this.
Sally: I find it to be sort of a divisive recommendation because, I don't know, I guess it's maybe the humor is silly or something. I don't know exactly what it is, but half the people I've talked about it with are like, funniest movie I've ever seen. Love it. Top five movies. And then the other half is like, why would you tell me to watch that. Hated it. Terrible. Will never see it again. Considering unfriending you.
Rachel: Wow.
Sally: So, I don't know. I guess it could go either way. I love it. In my office behind me, you can't see it, but I have a signed photo of Martin Mull, who plays Col. Mustard, and his autograph.
Rachel: Amazing.
Sally: I'm a superfan.
Rachel: That's great. Okay, these are really... this is fun. I'm glad we talked through all of our fall weekend thoughts.
Sally: Yeah, that could have been like a whole episode of just fall things.
Rachel: Exactly.
Sally: Actually, let me say one other thing which is... okay, two thoughts. One is that I always say I don't like horror movies, and I think that actually what I don't like is psychological thrillers, or I just need to familiarise myself with what horror movie means. Because, for example, I actually don't really mind gore, and I don't really mind jump scares because those don't really stay with me, but what stays with me is ambient creepiness and the tension in psychological thrillers. So having said that, though, I wouldn't sit down for fun and watch the Saw movies, those are just gore. I don't enjoy it, but the thing that puts me off watching most movies that I think of as horror movies is the psychological thriller aspect.
Rachel: That makes perfect sense. I think the problem is just when gore becomes the whole movie. Because you can avoid it in a lot of cases, you can look away. But when that seems like it's the point... Also, I don't know if you've followed anything with the new Fear Street movies that Netflix did recently.
Sally: Are they -- someone -- are they gay? Because someone out of the blue was like, "Have you watched those?" And I was like, you know I don't like horror. Why are you asking? Oh, it must be gay.
Rachel: Yeah, it is gay. And so I was mildly curious because I also read the specific Fear Street books that this is based on, so I was like, okay, I am totally the target audience for this. And then we watched the Trixie & Katya I Like to Watch versions of them, because I didn't think we were really going to watch them, and they were so horrifying. There was so much egregious gore. And it was like, you could see at different times Trixie and Katya reacting in real time, just being like, what the fuck is this movie?
Sally: Holy shit.
Rachel: This is wild. It's just like, how can we mutilate teens today? And it just was way too much. So that's where I'm like, I don't really like gore, but definitely when it goes into that. I didn't even really like Jennifer's Body that much because it was too much gore for me. So I think I'm probably better off avoiding it.
Sally: Yeah, I shan't be looking into Fear Street then. One thing I will recommend that I don't think is scary because I've seen it and I love it, and I'm not scared by it, although I think it's technically considered a horror movie, is the movie The Faculty. Are you familiar with this?
Rachel: No, I don't think I am.
Sally: The 1998 science-fiction horror film. It's a Robert Rodriguez movie and it has such luminaries as Clea DuVall.
Rachel: Okay.
Sally: Usher.
Rachel: Wow, all right.
Sally: Right? Elijah Wood, Jon Stewart, Bebe Neuwirth.
Rachel: This is ringing a bell. I've never seen it, but it's coming back.
Sally: And noted himbo, Josh Hartnett.
Rachel: Wow, he was the himbo of that era.
Sally: Yeah, he was. And I really, really, really like it, and I refuse to answer the question is it bad-good or good-good, because I don't know and I don't care. To me, it's good-good. And it's about teens, but not teens being cut up or whatever, mutilated or whatever. But it's really fun and good and I love it and has a great cast, and I don't think it's scary. So maybe if you guys find yourself with an open movie slot, maybe consider The Faculty.
Rachel: Okay. That sounds pretty good. Also, did you know they're making a Scream 5?
Sally: I saw that. I saw the chatter about it but I don't know any details.
Rachel: I don't either. I didn't even see the chatter, I just saw the headline and I was just like, I didn't even know there was a Scream 4, to be quite honest, and also like, okay. And then I also saw previews for, what's the one with Jamie Lee Curtis? Are those the Halloween movies?
Sally: That sounds right.
Rachel: Okay, the ones with Jamie Lee Curtis, they're making a new version of it. And she's her current age when she was a teen in the original, so I'm just like, so the killer is also presumably her current age, and how is that going to work? I don't know what kind of shape the killer is in, but if their body is aging like the rest of ours, there is no way that they can wreak that much havoc, I wouldn't think. But I'm curious how they're going to work that out. Not curious enough to watch it or learn anything about it, but it just strains credulity for me.
Sally: Yeah, it's about the killer being like, "Oh man, murdering is a young man's game. I don't have it in me anymore."
Rachel: Yeah. "My knees hurt now."
Sally: "My knees hurt," yeah. "My sciatica!" I don't even know what sciatica is but I feel like that's a thing that you might say as an elderly person. You might say, "My sciatica!"
Sally: Big news, Rachel. Huge news. It is the one year anniversary of Oh I Like That, the podcast that we are recording right now.
Rachel: Exactly, it's amazing news. Which if you're wondering why we didn't just make our entire episode about fun fall things since we have so many thoughts, it's because this is our anniversary episode and we had to do something a little special and maybe a little timeless for that. So we have some special programming planned for that today.
Sally: Yeah, we do. So our programming is things we really, really like, and haven't--
Rachel: We're just going to lean into that.
Sally: We're just going to lean super hard into that, so hard we might fall over, and stuff that we haven't otherwise mentioned, which I'm fairly sure that all my stuff I haven't mentioned before on this podcast.
Rachel: I am too. Which was actually a pretty big challenge because all of my most loved things I have made a point to talk about, so it was actually kind of hard to come up with a list. But I also, in doing so, uncovered some new things I'm very excited to talk about.
Sally: Me too, me too, I'm excited. And the other fun thing about this, at least I think for us, is that usually we know what the other person is going to be talking about. We have bullet points and we're like, "Oh, we want to cover this and that." In this case, I don't know the things you're going to talk about and vice versa.
Rachel: Mm-mm, we just agreed on some categories in advance but kept our list separate. So we could be in wildly different realms in how we interpret these categories. I don't think we will be, but it'll be fun to find out.
Sally: It will be fun.
Rachel: We also tried to make these categories sort of inspired by past shows that we had done, so you'll see that in some of them. But then that was actually pretty hard to do after all, and it did run into the problem of things we've already talked about. So some have a direct line to past episodes as a way to celebrate, and others are just things we came up with.
Sally: Just for funsies. Should we get started?
Rachel: Let's do it.
Sally: All right. So Rachel, tell me, for the category of 'A thing you use nearly every day,' what do you have?
Rachel: Okay, I have something called the Easy Walk Dog Harness, which I've been using every single day for the past close to three years now. So my dog Chuck, he used to be a very bad walker. He would pull right when we got outside and he would be obnoxious with other dogs. He wouldn't be so obnoxious but it was just like he would be at the end of his leash, which is very embarrassing. And then when I started hanging out in my girlfriend's neighborhood and in her building, there were a ton more dogs in the building and around the neighborhood, and so it was getting a lot worse and he was just embarrassing himself and us when we'd take him out. So I was like, I think we should get him a harness because I'm worried about how hard he's pulling on his neck. I'm worried he's going to be choking or that he might slip out of his collar. So she went to a pet store in our neighborhood and was like, I need a harness for this dog who is acting up, and the person there recommended this PetSafe Easy Walk Dog Harness. And it has changed everything. He is a different dog with this harness, and it happened almost immediately but he's gotten so much better. And I can't remember exactly what the deal was, but I think it was just the way that this harness is structured, it makes it so that they don't want to pull anymore. I don't think it hurts them or anything like that, but it's just like if they try to yank it, it gets tense in a way that's uncomfortable for them. And he was a different dog as soon as we started using this.
Sally: Wow.
Rachel: And he's gotten so much better around other dogs that now, in our building, a lot of times it's other dogs who are the ones starting shit and he is so well-behaved. It was just such a game changer that I had no idea existed, and I'm so grateful for this product.
Sally: Man, with pets, in my experience, one product solving all your problems is not the most likely. And in this case, it happened. So that's incredible.
Rachel: Yeah, it comes in, I think, six, seven different sizes. It's on sale right now for $22.95, normally $28.99. So under 30 bucks, and a life changing pet product.
Sally: I assume that it's the letter E and the letter Z, not the word easy. Is that right?
Rachel: You're wrong.
Sally: [Gasps]
Rachel: I see why you thought that. And I'm sorry to tell you.
Sally: I'm shocked.
Rachel: I know.
Sally: I thought it was illegal if the word easy was in your product name to spell the word out.
Rachel: Maybe they're trying to tell you that they're serious, but I would argue that EZ if you're a business is serious, so misstep on their part.
Sally: Missed opportunity.
Rachel: Yeah. Okay. What is your thing you use every day?
Sally: My thing I use every day is, I'm going to hold it up for you, Rachel. It is the Palmer's Cocoa Butter Formula Swivel Stick. It is a moisturiser for your lips. I want to just be really clear that Palmer's also makes a lip balm, and do not get that. Because whatever a lip balm isn't supposed to do, that's what it does. But the swivel stick, which you know because, first of all, it's called swivel stick. Second of all, it looks like a glue stick, it's the size and shape of a glue stick. It moisturises really well, and then it doesn't leave your lips really dry after. I don't really know how to describe why it works so well for moisturising your lips but it just does. And also, like any Palmer's product, it has a really pleasant cocoa butter aroma. And I have one on my desk, one by the bed, one in my bag, one in the living room by the TV, it's just everywhere. I swear by it. I shan't put another product on my lips but Palmer's Cocoa Butter Formula Swivel Stick.
Rachel: Okay. This is a great rec. I think we may have some and I don't use it often, but my girlfriend does and I've grabbed it a couple of times. It smells and tastes really nice and it works great.
Sally: Yeah, it's definitely one of my -- if I was going to endorse a product, it would be this. There are so few things I would endorse, maybe Peach-Pear LaCroix, I would endorse that. But there aren't enough products that are so perfect that I would endorse them, but the Palmer's swivel stick is definitely one of them.
Rachel: Okay, amazing. All right, what is our next category?
Sally: We have 'A thing that makes you feel cozy.'
Rachel: Okay, this was a really hard one for me because we have talked about so many cozy things on the show. And so where I landed is not the coziest thing in the world, but I really had to cross off probably ten things before I got to this. So the lighting, the candles, the comfy, the duvet. We've covered so many cozy things on the show, socks ad nauseam, there's so many. So I wanted to share a pair of house slippers that I really like. I want to send you the picture of them, Sally, because I feel like you need to sort of get the look to believe how I [fadeout] in our chat. They're just referred to as pillow slides, which I don't know if that totally...
Sally: Ahhh, they look like if a pillow... it's like... yeah, it looks like a rubber pillow kind of.
Rachel: Yeah, like a big bulky sort of like a toadstool fashioned into a shoe. They're just thick looking, plushy looking, but they're rubbery. I think you can wear them in the shower, so.
Sally: They look so comfortable. Wow.
Rachel: Right? So this was a recommendation from Caroline Moss who has the podcast 'Gee thanks, just bought it!' and is also a friend of ours. I saw it on her Instagram and bought them. And when I first got them and put them on, I was like, I don't know about this because they don't feel like, I don't know, they didn't feel like Birkenstocks, they didn't feel like my other slippers or house shoes because they are just bigger and bulkier and sort of softer. So it's a little bit weird to get used to them, but after a few hours, I was like, these are great. And I like them because they're slides. They look like sports sandals in their construction. So you can wear them with socks, which I always want to be wearing, and then slip them on and off. So if you sit down to put your feet up on the foot stool and you want to kick them off, it's much easier to do that than it is with other types of slippers, which to me makes for a great product, and I really like to be able to wear socks with whatever I'm wearing in the house. So I've probably had them for, I don't know, four months, six months, and I'm just such a huge fan.
Sally: This product might actually solve a problem for me, which is that there is a chunk of the year where it's too warm for me to want to wear my slippers, but I don't like to not wear house shoes in the house, I always want to be wearing something. And I have a pair of indoor flip flops, but it's really hard to wear socks with them, for obvious reasons. [Laughs]
Rachel: I hope it's like, you've given up on trying to.
Sally: Every morning, I get up, I put on a pair of socks, I try to jam my foot into my flip flops and it doesn't work, and I think, "Tomorrow is the day." But, yeah, so these slides might change everything for me. And, as we know, sadly, I cannot wear Crocs due to the fact that they don't come in half sizes, which makes no sense. I feel like I'm wrong about that. How is that right?
Rachel: I don't know, that can't be helpful.
Sally: I feel like I just did a bad job of researching that. Anyway, so I've been on the look out for a house shoe with me in mind, and I feel like this might be it.
Rachel: Yep. They are $20. They come in eight different colors, a bunch of sizes, really, really worth it. They're very good.
Sally: I love it.
Rachel: Okay, what is your thing that makes you feel cozy?
Sally: So I am really excited to share this thing, but unfortunately I cannot provide a link to it because ever since... I almost feel like I travelled to another dimension, got them and came back because I've never been able to track them down again. But I have a pair of sweatpants from Uniqlo. They're really heavy, they have this lining. And I wear them on the most bitterly cold days and they block the wind, they're so warm, they're so cozy. And it's like there are those days in the winter where you never get warm. On those days, I take a hot shower and I put on these sweatpants and I just feel like I'm getting a soft hug. And they also have a nice silhouette. There's a controversial thing happening, which is people thinking that their activewear doesn't look like it's activewear, which I feel like you should just embrace the fact that you're wearing athleisure out in the world. These cannot pass for that, they're clearly sweatpants. But they have a nice tapered leg and they have a cuff on the bottom. And they're just so comfy and so cozy, but I cannot... I've tried to find them again to get myself another pair, and then I also tried again yesterday to try to find it so I can put a link in the show doc. And I've never been able to find them again. And weirdly, there's no tag on them, and I don't know if I took the tags out or they just didn't come with them, but.
Rachel: That's such a bummer.
Sally: It's such a bummer. And I don't even know, it's not even they're fleece-lined, so I can't even Google fleece-lined sweatpants. It's like they're heavy and they're lined with something, but I have no idea what. So, sorry, but if you are ever in Uniqlo and you see sweatpants that have a nice tapered silhouette and have cuffs and a drawstring, but the drawstring's on the inside. And they're heavy, heavier than normal sweatpants, those are either the thing or a descendant of the thing and are probably great. So absolutely get them.
Rachel: I feel like just Uniqlo, in general, for basics is a great rec. They have so much good cozy stuff, and I love their sweats. So good rec all around.
Sally: Yeah, they have fleece-lined sweatpants and sweatshirts that are so delightfully soft and warm. Okay, next up, Rachel, what is something that's great for a party?
Rachel: Okay. This was another tough one since we just did our party episode, but what I came up with is something I don't think I've talked about on the show before, and that is Lipton Onion Recipe and Soup Mix, which is basically just a $3 item you can find at most grocery stores. You get a box and it has four of these packets in it. I guess you could make French onion soup with them, but you can also make French onion dip with them, and the way to make it is you dump the contents of the packet into eight ounces or 16 ounces of sour cream and you mix it, and you have a delicious French onion dip and it's that easy. I have made this for many parties and it is always such a hit. You just serve it with potato chips or celery and carrots, and every single time I've gotten raves about it. And our friend Gian, after having had it at one of our parties, then made it herself and had the same thing happen to her, where it was just like everybody's obsessed with this. It is such an inexpensive crowd pleaser, and is a way to make something from scratch that requires hardly any work on your end.
Sally: What a great tip. I love that. I feel like I want to eat some right now too. I want to dip a carrot in it.
Rachel: Really good.
Sally: That's what I want to do.
Rachel: All right, Sally, what do you have that is great for a party?
Sally: Okay, so I guess it depends on what kind of party it is. But we did say we were going to interpret this question differently.
Rachel: Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to some creative interpretation.
Sally: I now wish I had done something about a political party or something but I didn't. I'm not that far away from your interpretation. But I don't know how you feel about the board game Clue, Rachel.
Rachel: I feel like I haven't played in years, and I think they've changed it quite a bit. So this is based on a crossword clue the other day that was like, "A murder weapon in the original Clue." And I was like, oh, this is going to be something I've never heard of. And then it was a lead pipe, and I was like, what do you mean the original Clue? What are the murder weapons now? So I have some questions. And is it electronic now? What's going on with Clue these days?
Sally: I'm so glad you asked, Rachel. So I'm a real fan of the Clue multiverse. I just really like all things Clue. There are expansions that have different weapons. And there's also, there's Clue Master Detective, which is Clue but with I think more things and then also some other spin to it. And then there's also... when I was growing up, I had a friend who had this interactive game that came with a VHS tape and you put it in the VCR, and it was Clue, and then you also played with the board game. So there have been a lot of iterations. And then there's also, of course, just regular Clue but Game of Thrones Clue and Harry Potter Clue and various other pop culture franchise themes. The board game Clue, I... again, I feel like it's divisive because I feel like some people really, really dislike it. And I was once reading, I was on some online community for board game enthusiasts -- it was BoardGameGeek, that's what it was -- and someone was like, Clue is such a stupid game. All you have to do is this. And then they laid out their really easy strategy to win every time. Meanwhile, I've not been playing that way. It's basically a game of deduction but a lot of it is luck. You know what I mean?
Rachel: Yeah, yeah.
Sally: And I don't really play that strategically. So apparently, if you know this one way to win you always win or whatever. But I think--
Rachel: Okay. I haven't played Clue in probably 25 years, so I don't know if I was playing the right way or the wrong way. I'm not even going to find out, I just want to play again and see how I fare, and then go look up the answer.
Sally: I look forward to whipping out the Clue game when you guys visit, because I think it's really boring if you play the quote-unquote 'right way.' I think it's fun to be a little bumbling about it. I'm not someone who's always trying to win games, I think that's really kind of boring. Anyway, Clue, depending on the size of the party, I think is a really fun game to bust out because you have to pay attention but it's a fun thing to pay attention to. It's not like a strategy game where you're so incredibly focused that you can't joke around about the game you're playing. And it's fun and it's goofy, and it actually, I think, gets more fun if you are drinking and not keeping good track of things. I think it's a great time, and almost any time that I'm at any sort of a group event -- within reason. If there was a 15-person house party, I wouldn't be like, "Guys, let's play Clue."
Rachel: Right, so you're telling me that at the two weddings that you went to, you came on with a Clue board. [Laughs]
Sally: Yeah, I brought my Clue board. I was like, so excited to see you all. It was a beautiful ceremony. Let's play Clue. But, no, when we are hanging out with another couple or another couple of couples, I feel like Clue is really fun. And so that is my answer. And have some fun with it, go on eBay and get a vintage Clue game from, I think it came out in the '50s or something like that. So there's all kinds of, the art is really fun, or you can get a different themed version. Anyway, good times, Clue. Clue, the game.
Rachel: Okay. This is a good rec because I feel like board games are getting increasingly complicated and not even just complicated, but they're trying really hard, whether it's to be like, "We fuck. We make off-color comments." Or it's just really strategic in a way that you're just kind of like, everybody chill. And it can be really intimidating to people who are like, I just came to have a good time. I didn't want to have to learn a 16-step process and then be playing with somebody who's really competitive. And I think also when you've got people who are, if half your group is good at the game and half is not, it's not going to be as fun probably for anyone involved. And so I think a game that has a decent amount of luck involved is good for playing with a mixed group of people because that really does even the playing field. But then also, I think Clue just isn't that intimidating. If you haven't played it before, you're like, okay, well, this game has been around for 50 years Or, I played it once as a kid so I know I can play it again and it's not going to be that deep, which is a lot easier than re-learning to play a whole other game and also wonder if you're going to find out halfway through that you inevitably are like, somebody's making Holocaust jokes. So I think it's a very good sort of crowd pleaser that covers a lot of bases. And I think they've also changed the game to make it... I don't know if it was ever offensive, but I think they've changed it a bit to make it a little more modern. So I'd have to do some research on that, but I think they're trying to bring Clue into the modern era, which is always a good thing, but without going too hard like some of these other games do.
Sally: Yeah, I once was at a work event where they played... what's that game?
Rachel: Cards Against Humanity?
Sally: Yes. And I was like, I don't like this in any context, but especially at work, it gets so inappropriate and awful and I hate it. As someone who plays -- I identify as being a person of gamer experience, and so I don't mind an elaborate board game if someone can teach it to me. But you can't really be busting out one of these games that has an hour of setup, it takes you an hour to learn, and then takes five hours to play. It's not really a party, that's like the event.
Rachel: A typical weekend maybe.
Sally: Yeah.
Rachel: If you're going out of town for a weekend, maybe. But even then, does everyone want this?
Sally: No, it's definitely one of those things that it's like everyone has to have informed consent. It's like, we're going to have a game night. We are going to play this game. You know what I mean? And that's really different than casually hanging out and being like, hey, let's play Clue.
Rachel: Yeah, I agree. Kind of related, but did you know that Terry taught us to play Mahjong earlier this summer? Tom and Danny came over with Terry and she brought her Mahjong set because she was at home with her family for a huge bulk of the pandemic and they played Mahjong all the time. And it's so complicated. So she was like, I'm going to teach you and it's going to be very complicated. That is the activity that we are doing today. And it was really fun.
Sally: Aw, that sounds so fun.
Rachel: And I really enjoyed it and would totally do a Mahjong Club. But that's a kind of game of, if somebody tried to just introduce that at a party and be like, it's really fun, I swear. You'd be like--
Sally: Absolutely not.
Rachel: This is not going to work. Yeah.
Sally: Yeah, that's a great example. Okay, next up, our category is 'Something gay (that we haven't talked about already),' which eliminates a lot of things.
Rachel: We did, what, three episodes? And that excludes all the other episodes where we talked about...
Sally: We sure did, Rachel.
Rachel: Again, this is really tough. So I went with a recent addition to my list, which is a little bit broad. But just JoJo Siwa, her whole thing, really into right now. So for people who don't know, she was formerly on the show Dance Moms, which, put a pin in that, and then became a YouTuber, a wildly successful one. She then became a pop star, went on all these tours and is... you've probably seen pictures of her and sort of seen her whole deal, but she's growing up now, and she came out, I think earlier this year, I think she's 18 now. She has a girlfriend, they are incredibly wholesome and cute, and JoJo just seems remarkably well-adjusted and is now on Dancing with the Stars, a show I had never watched and now know more about than I really care to. But she has -- it feels so dumb saying this -- has made history as the first person to ever dance on the show with a same sex partner, which I think is pretty great. And this is a really, really popular show that a lot of people watch, and it's a very wholesome show. And so I think just getting to see her. She's also got tons of dance experience so she is very good on the show. So, I don't know, I like her. She's, I don't know, a teen who I'm like, all right, I'm feeling good about where things are headed, and I think she's really sweet and charming. And to go back to Dance Moms, so when I started going down the JoJo on Dancing with the Stars rabbit hole, then I was like, okay, I want to get a sense of what she was like on Dance Moms. And I watched this clip that has made me feel detached from reality, because I was like, how was this the show? And, oh my God, this is high camp. If this moment didn't make JoJo Siwa gay, I don't know what did. Because it's so wild. So the plot of the show is just like, moms are sort of catty with each other while their daughters dance. But the woman who runs the show, Abby Lee whatever, who runs the dance academy, is... she just was screaming a lot and it's just like, what is wrong with you? Why are you talking to children this way? But in the clip that I watched, JoJo was supposed to perform a dance. She's 11 years old, she's supposed to do a dance inspired by Carrie, the -- speaking of horror movies.
Sally: Whoa.
Rachel: Carrie, and Abby Lee keeps telling JoJo she needs to watch the movie because she needs to understand the emotion of it all.
Sally: Is this like child abuse?
Rachel: It's wild. She's like, you need to understand Carrie's emotional journey. And JoJo's mom is just like, we're not going to do that. She's 11. We're not going to do that. So then JoJo does the dance, and when I say camp, she's covered in blood, and it's this like, imagine what a ballet, Carrie inspired, performed by an 11-year-old with blonde curls would look like. Wild. But then--
Sally: Black Swan could never.
Rachel: Could never. But then she comes, spoiler alert, she comes in fifth and then gets this dressing down later from Abby in front of the whole dance company. And she's like, "Did you watch the movie?" And JoJo's like, "I didn't watch the movie." And she screams, "I told you to watch the movie!" And I just... how was... this show was on for several seasons, what the fuck? How was this a real thing? It's so wild. And JoJo and her mom are so normal and well-adjusted. JoJo just leaves and is talking to her mom and she's just basically saying like, "Why is she talking to me like that? This is wild." And they're both just like, they have a really normal person conversation about it, and then Jojo does go back in and offers a sort of an apology but it's clear she doesn't agree but she's just going along. She's like, I'm sorry I didn't watch the movie, and her apology is accepted. But it just is a thing to behold and I love it.
Sally: I would like an executive order condemning this person who is insisting that an 11-year-old should watch Carrie. No 11-year-old should be familiar with Carrie's emotional journey.
Rachel: Absolutely. And also this idea of like, this dance would have been better if you had watched the movie because you would understand the emotions. And it's just like, she's 11. This is like, come on, get a grip. It's so wild.
Sally: That's incredible. Yeah, so we've shared a couple of JoJo Siwa Dancing with the Stars videos in the old group chat, and they're great, she's great. She dresses up--
Rachel: She's a great dancer.
Sally: --as Prince Charming in one of them. And then what's the other one she did that was really good?
Rachel: They did a Britney Spears theme night and so they're all in plaid. Also, JoJo is so tall.
Sally: So tall.
Rachel: She's so tall and so she's just throwing her partner around in this way that is incredibly impressive and fun to watch because she's just big, in the best way, and having so much fun with it in a way that I'm just like, wow, you're great at this. More of this please.
Sally: I know. Yeah, it's very athletic. Man, that's a good one. That's a real good one.
Rachel: Okay, what have you got for me?
Sally: Okay. What I have is the Queer Zine Archive Project. Are you familiar with this?
Rachel: I think so, yeah.
Sally: This is an archive of queer zines, as you may be able to infer, and basically, you can just browse random queer zines where you can search by decade. They have zines from the '80s and the '90s. And it's basically like, it was launched in 2003, and it's basically just to preserve queer zines and make them available to researchers and historians and also just queer people. And you can search them alphabetically or by subject. And I, just every now and again, will go to the site which is, we'll put it in the show notes, archive.qzap.org, and I'll just check out a random zine and see what's up, and it's really interesting to see what kind of political stuff people were doing at the time. It's just really interesting interviews, and it's just a record of what everyday queer folks -- I think most of these are probably people in the US, I think -- were thinking about and putting out there in zines. And it's just a really cool snapshot of history. And I haven't really ever had a specific reason to -- I've never gone to find something specific. I just like to kind of browse them and read them sometimes, and it's great and I highly recommend it.
Rachel: That's amazing. It's a really good recommendation and zines are great. I really want to make one at some point. I can't believe I haven't yet, because it feels like my shit.
Sally: It is, yeah.
Rachel: But I love seeing other people's, especially queer people's, they're very, very inspiring and informative and just like, it's great.
Sally: Maybe Oh I Like That will branch out and become a zine.
Rachel: I feel like podcasts are sort of... or some podcasts are the zines of their day.
Sally: Zines you listen to. Yeah.
Rachel: Yeah, they're just like, I wanted to talk about a thing and thought someone should read it so I made it myself.
Sally: Totally. Exactly. No, you're so right. Okay, next category is 'Something you recommend to literally everyone.' Rachel, what do you recommend to literally everyone?
Rachel: I recommend Ask a Manager to literally everyone.
Sally: Oh, that's really good.
Rachel: I go back to all the time, and if anyone ever has a work question, I'm always just like, did you check Ask a Manager? Or, I am checking Ask a Manager, and she almost always has the answer. It's rare that she doesn't have something that gets close. But for those of you who aren't aware, it's a work blog/advice -- it's an advice column but all about work, and it's so good. And I've been reading it, gosh, I don't know, eight years now. I've been reading it for a really long time. And I know a lot of people are aware of it because I've written about it at Buzzfeed before. Sometimes really wild examples will bubble up into the bigger consciousness, but I really recommend reading it daily. She publishes a lot, so that alone is amazing, but I think once you read it for a really long time, you just start to absorb the lessons and the advice, and I find it just such a useful resource. And I was reading something yesterday about management training and why managers are often so bad at their jobs and how we don't get really any training on this, or you get a half-day seminar and that's expected to teach you everything. And I feel like reading Ask a Manager over the years, daily for years, gave me so many tools as a manager that I wouldn't have had before. So just how to handle all these different types of conversations, what's appropriate and what's not. And just also, so often the answer is, have a conversation about it and reminding you that you should, it's your responsibility. You have the power to do that. It just has taught me so much about being a person with a job, not just a manager by any means, how to be a good co-worker, how to talk to your manager, or how to talk to people at work who might be talking about things that you find uncomfortable or inappropriate, or is this okay? She just covered all of it from so many different angles, and I just never tire of Ask a Manager and I recommend it to everyone.
Sally: Yeah, it's so good. And it's like, if you ever have a question like, how would a reasonable person react to this professional situation or this work situation, I feel like that's where you can get your answers. And so many of the topics she's covered already. So like you said, you can just sort of treat it as... I feel like a lot of people buy books about management and stuff like that, and I feel like you can sort of treat the site as that because there's so much good advice. I feel like her advice is very... it lacks any weird business speak or weird rules about the business world. She's just like, we're human beings, and some of us are in work situations and we have to figure out how to deal with them. It's just really, really good and I think that is a great thing to recommend to everyone.
Rachel: I should also say she does have a book, and I think that is a great place to start. It's based on some of the, I think probably the questions she gets asked the most. And it's divided into getting a job and interviews, and then conversations with your boss, conversations when you're the boss, and that is a wonderful place to start or a great gift for a new grad or somebody young who's just starting their career, or you if you're becoming a manager for the first time. Highly recommend it, kind of a crash course and everything on the site, but just read the site every day, even the things that you're like, I don't have this question right now. I think just absorbing these things passively for a really long time can teach you a lot about how to be at work.
Sally: Yeah, like any good advice column or show or anything, even if you don't have the exact same question someone writes in with, you will relate to something and get something out of her answers.
Rachel: I think that's right. Okay, Sally, what do you recommend to literally everyone?
Sally: Okay, so my cheat answer to this question is therapy. That is a thing that I genuinely... there are some things that people are like, "Everyone should do this," and I think that's almost never true. I even doubt if there's anything everyone should do. Therapy I do think is something everyone should probably do, or some version of just dealing with yourself, however you do that. But that's not my real answer to this question, Rachel. I just wanted to have a chance to say therapy is great, and also therapy can't address the many reasons that we... our mental health struggles, which has to do with structural oppression, that's a whole different thing. Okay, so the thing I recommend to everyone, I have a caveat, or I have an asterisk. The thing I recommend to everyone who is wondering how to make their coffee at home better is this grinder that I have.
Rachel: Ooh, okay.
Sally: As I've talked about before on this podcast, there are a lot of different ways you can change the way you make coffee to make it taste better or different. It's an extremely fiddly thing. There's the water temperature and the amount of coffee and the way the coffee's ground, all that stuff. However, one thing I learned from my foray into wanting to make better coffee at home is that the most impactful thing, I would say most impactful to how your coffee turns out while also being pretty low effort compared to some of the other things involved with making coffee is to get a good burr grinder. So that's different than a blade grinder. These have burrs that crush the beans. And I have... Mine is the Capresso Infinity Conical Burr Grinder. Now, I got it in September of 2016. It is still humming along like a champ.
Rachel: Amazing.
Sally: Yep, I got it for $97, which I know that that sounds like a lot to invest in your coffee. However, when you start looking up burr grinders and you realize that you can spend multiple hundreds of dollars on burr grinders, you realize that it's maybe not overkill. So you do have to clean it and maintain it, and I have a whole routine around cleaning it, which I can talk about at another time, but it is a real workhorse. I've used it for everything from very, very, very fine coffee to really, really coarse percolator type coffee, and it always grinds. The precision is really good, it's easy to clean, and it does a great job. And it's been going -- I just feel they don't make things that last for five years anymore, and this does.
Rachel: Yeah, I think that's right. I also think regarding the price, this to me is the perfect thing to ask for from your parents or family members for a holiday, because I feel like whenever you get asked, what do you want for this holiday or your birthday? I don't know about you, Sally, but I'm always like, I can't name a single thing that I want, and it's the right level of expensive and you'll use it every day, so it feels a little splurgy and it feels nice, but you don't want to buy it yourself. And it's accessible to somebody who is a different generation. They can just be like, oh, a really nice coffee grinder, because you like your coffee. So I feel it's a good one to put on your own personal wish list as we go into the holidays.
Sally: Yeah. And I think this is all relative for sure, but when I was researching this five years ago, and I saw the range of burr grinders I could get, I was like, okay, I don't have the money or the interest in coffee to spend more than $97 on a grinder. Also, I don't want to be someone who owns a grinder that costs $250 or $300, that just doesn't feel like an identity that I want. And just under $100, which I, of course, stipulate to a great many people, even this is an amount that is too much, it's like I don't want that identity, which I totally understand, but if you do want this identity, I would say definitely get this grinder. And I guess the other caveat is probably if I did this research again, there would be something better at the same price point because it's been five years, but...
Rachel: Sure.
Sally: I don't know, maybe think of it as a retro purchase or something.
Rachel: Amazing.
Sally: Rachel, our next category is 'Something you've read more than five times.'
Rachel: This was a little bit tough for me because the first thing that came to mind was Valley of the Dolls, which I also talked about earlier this year. So the next thing on the list, I was like, I think I've probably read some articles. But, of course, when we were working on this, I couldn't name a single thing that I like. So one thing I've read more than five times is the book The Time Traveler's Wife, which I think came out in 2002, maybe 2003. I definitely read it at the end of high school, and I haven't read it in a pretty long time. I used to probably read it once a year, and so I can't tell you if it holds up exactly, but it just holds such a special place in my heart. The movie is bad. If you've seen the movie, do not let that influence how you think of the book. But if you like a good sort of sci-fi romance deal, which I love, this to me, I think, is the first time I encountered that and I just... it's extremely my shit. And it's set in Chicago, and it feels like Chicago, which is where I would have been living, I think, when I read it, or right around the time I read it I moved there. And they just, there's so many good little Chicago references in there. And the other thing is, I will say that when I started reading it, I was like, this doesn't make sense to me. I can't follow this format very well because you're jumping around in time a little bit and people are different ages. Stick with it, it starts to make a little bit more sense once you've been doing it for a chapter or two. And I think that's part of why I was like, I want to read this again now that I know how it all works. And now, I don't know, it's so good. Now that I'm talking about it, I'm like, oh man, I want to read it again, because it's just like a core favorite book of mine.
Sally: I love that book. I read it when we were working at Buzzfeed, and I remember I would read it on the subway to and from work, and there were times when I would be like, is it okay to just weep openly as I read this book?
Rachel: God, I know.
Sally: It's so good.
Rachel: It's so good.
Sally: I want to re-read it now too. I didn't even realize there was a movie.
Rachel: It's better that way.
Sally: Yeah, I will not pursue it. That's a great one.
Rachel: Amazing. What's yours?
Sally: Okay. Once again, I'm rejecting the premise because I have one thing that's really obscure, but it immediately came to mind, and so I want to talk about it. There was an article in a 1995 issue of Rolling Stone. It was the cover story of that issue, and it's about Green Day. And it is an article that sort of talks about Green Day's origins as a punk band and talks about each of the members of the band. And I loved it when it came out in 1996, I guess I was 17. And I think it's probably one of the things that I can point to specifically that got me really interested in journalism. It's just a really interesting readable feature where you're just getting so much information about these guys. It's interesting and you're learning all about -- I feel like when I was done reading, I understood the punk scene that they came from, which was in, I think, San Francisco. And I've been meaning to -- so I had the physical issue of it and I read it constantly. And then at some point, one of the many times my parents were like, "Get your shit out of our house," I think it just sort of got lost. I was able to get a membership to Rolling Stone and search the archives, download it and keep it forever. So should anyone want a PDF of this, you can email the show, ohilikethatpod@gmail.com, and I will send you the PDF of this really, really awesome cover story. So that's my really obscure thing. And then I don't want to take up too much more time with my answer, but I will say the other thing that I've read probably more times than anything else is the book I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, which I first read in seventh grade. And for several years, I just kept it by my bedside and I just read it constantly. I was sort of never not reading it, and I haven't really read it in the last 10 or so years, and I probably should. So yeah, good read in there.
Rachel: That's great. All right, I think we have made it to our last category.
Sally: Final category, this is a fun one: 'Something that helps you sleep/makes bedtime great.'
Rachel: Okay, so I am a sleep mask wearer, and I have been since I was in high school. So this is also a thing that I use everyday. I can't sleep without something on my face now, and so I've tried many, many, many different sleep masks over the years. Anything will do, but I got an ad on Instagram for this Manta Sleep Mask last year and decided to try it and I really, really like it. So I think what makes it unique is that you can reposition the things. It looks like your normal sleep mask, but then inside it there's little things that go directly over your eyes. It looks like tiny little donuts that cover your eyes and block out more light, and you can reposition them. So they are velcro and you can move them around based on where your eyes are. So I already loved this. And then I had been using it for a while, and I was like, you always hear people say that a silk pillowcase is really good for avoiding fine lines or things like that. And I was like, oh man, it would be nice if they made a silk or satin version of this sleep mask, because sometimes you can get one of those, that would be both things at once. And they had just come out with one, so I upgraded to that version, which I also love. So either is great, but if you want to go the extra step to truly get your beauty sleep, you can get a version -- I can't remember if it's silk or satin, but in either case, it is really great and I can't sleep without it.
Sally: That rules. I have never worn -- I wear them when I have a migraine and when I'm recovering from a migraine. I've never slept in one, and the primary thing for me is that it needs to block light and also to not be too tight on my head. Is your thing a light thing, or is there also a sensory thing of having something on that part of your face?
Rachel: It's both now. Main thing is light, that's how I got into it, but now it's like I've become trained that I need a little bit of pressure on my face to fall asleep because I just have trained myself to need that. So it's both.
Sally: Nice. Okay, I love that. I don't, I've never really, I'm not really a darkness needing person, but I have to say, I've noticed how with the advent of weighted blankets, you start to notice how nice it is when a part of you feels like it's being hugged, so I wouldn't mind having my face hugged by a sleep mask.
Rachel: Yeah, that's basically what this is. Also, as I was pulling the link for this, I just saw they have a version now that has cooling ones. You can swap out the little things. There's heat and cooling, so you can swap those out for your migraines which might be--
Sally: Yeah, that actually sounds amazing.
Rachel: Okay, great. What is your thing that makes sleep or bedtime great?
Sally: Okay. So this is a thing that was introduced to me by my partner, Andrea. It is a microbead pillow.
Rachel: Amazing.
Sally: Now, she has this one, it's from Brookstone and it's called the nap pillow. It has microbeads, which just means that it conforms to the shape your head makes when you lie on the pillow. I find them really nice to prop myself up in some way. If we're watching TV, I put it behind my head. Sometimes I put it under my arm. It just is very good for resting in bed. And the problem is that it seems like Brookstone has discontinued them, so you can't get the cool nap pillow, which is microbead and then the really nice soft plush outside. However, I did find when I Googled around that there's a bazillion microbead pillows out there of all different -- made of different materials, and they do different things, and there's body pillows and head pillows. And sometimes I just sleep with it under my arm. It's comfortable in a million ways, and I never slept with one until I'm at my partner. And now when I don't have one, when we're at a hotel or something, I'm like, but my arm needs the thing or my head... I feel at a loss. So microbead pillows, everyone.
Rachel: Okay, that sounds great.
Sally: We talked about a lot of things we like, and I feel like there's more to come because we had some other categories, but we're already over time, so I feel like maybe on our second anniversary, we can talk about more things we really like.
Rachel: For sure.
Sally: Okay, well, I think it's time for a nice thing to end on, Rachel. What is your nice thing to end on?
Rachel: Okay. So my nice thing to end on is the new Mary Roach book, which is called Fuzz. So Mary Roach is a science writer who has written numerous bestsellers. I think I read the first one, again, around the time I read The Time Traveler's Wife right out of high school, which is called -- I think this is her first one, but it was my first one, it's Stiff: The Secret Life of Human Cadavers, I think is the tagline. It's super popular. I know a lot of people have read it, and I have read her other books that are all sort of tackling different topics. There is Bonk and, I think, Spook, and Gulp, which they're all about different aspects of life and science. And so this one, Fuzz, is about where nature meets the law, and it's the ways humans make laws to deal with wild animals. And Mary Roach is just so sort of fundamentally curious and very funny. That was the first thing when I was reading her books is, she has all these very funny footnotes, and she still does. I hadn't read one in a while, so I was like, is it going to still be that style? And it 100% is. And she just goes to all of these unusual places and conferences and asks funny questions. And it's very clear she has no problem emailing people and quoting on the phone of people to ask them her most ridiculous questions to get answers. And I'm really enjoying Fuzz, which ultimately is about -- it's ostensibly about how humans interact with nature and with wild animals, but it's also about what do we do about the fact that humans have encroached so much on animals' habitats that now we have to live together. And that is dangerous for people in X, Y and Z ways, or it's dangerous for the animals in X, Y and Z ways. And I haven't read her books in, I don't know, probably five or 10 years, but this one really is bringing in the reality of climate change and of the human cost of deforestation and the cheap price of tea, and then all of these different things. And it's got her signature wit and it's really funny, but it always gets to that in the end in a really meaningful way. But also it's just so good. I learned so much about how bears interact with humans to get food, and it is remarkable. I love it. I highly recommend it.
Sally: Yeah, you've dropped a few bear facts on me and my jaw dropped. I've read one of her books. I think I listened to an audiobook a long time ago and learned a lot. Her deep dives are not to be believed.
Rachel: I think both of us love a good rabbit hole, and she puts us to shame--
Sally: Oh, she does.
Rachel: In a way that I'm like, the things that she just sits there and reads, these obscure reports from the 1940s about God knows what, it's just really something.
Sally: Yeah, and one thing I always think about when I'm reading something that I can tell is the result of years and years of research is how much skill it takes to do all of that research and synthesize it and make something really readable, which she does. It's awesome.
Rachel: Yeah, she's great at this. So definitely recommend. And if you've gotten out of the habit of reading or reading her books, they're delightful. Sally, what is your nice thing to end on?
Sally: Okay. So I feel like this is my bougiest episode yet because I recommend an expensive coffee grinder, and I'm also going to recommend Wildfang Virtual Styling. So Wildfang is a clothing brand, I think it's in LA. They have a lot of cool things, especially for people who are queer, gender non-conforming folks, like a lot of different... it's like, you like quote-unquote 'men's suiting, but men's suits are always too big in the shoulders and too narrow in the hips or whatever, this store is for you. And they have this thing, this virtual styling session you can schedule where basically, you get a half an hour appointment with someone from Wildfang and you fill out a little form that's about the kind of clothes you're interested in, the kind of silhouette you like, if you're shopping for an occasion, all this different stuff, and they will pull stuff for you based on your answers. And also if you've shopped there before, based on stuff you've already bought. And I had this half an hour session and I asked all these questions about how I would style something, we talked about different options for looks. I needed a suit to wear to a wedding I was officiating, and I really wanted to look really nice, but I also wanted to be really comfortable, so I needed... it felt like something above and beyond just getting a nice suit.
Rachel: Right.
Sally: And this person, he helped me through everything, and I was like, look, here are my hang-ups about the way I want clothes to fit me in this way. And the cool thing is that if you buy something on the call, they will either overnight it or second day ship it to you at no cost. And you don't have to buy anything, you know, I just knew I was going to because I needed to get a suit for this wedding, but that's cool. And they're very cool about sending you a couple of sizes and letting you return. It was just a very affirming experience for me where I was able to be like, I kind of know what I like, I kind of don't, I sort of need help, I don't know how to style things. And I was like, "Can you help me choose what shoes to wear?" And he was like, "Yeah, go get your shoes and tell me."
Rachel: That sounds great.
Sally: Yeah, it was great. It was a really nice experience. And they have not just suits and nice clothes, they have casual clothes as well. And you are paying for -- it's not fast fashion. And my hope is that they are as ethical as they seem to be, and so the money is going to various good things such as workers being paid well, and so on and so forth. So yeah, I recommend it. We'll put a link in the show notes.
Rachel: That's great. Also the suit looked great.
Sally: Thank you.
Rachel: It really rocked. So that's the other thing that we've got to say. That was great.
Sally: I ended up actually getting another suit because I had another wedding the next weekend, and also the thing of having one nice outfit to wear to any wedding, funeral, job interview or bar mitzvah is not it. So I went ahead and got another suit because I liked it so much and so, yeah, highly recommend.
Rachel: Amazing. All right. Well, I think that does it for our one year anniversary show. Thank you for listening. And also if you've been listening all year, thank you for checking in regularly. We really appreciate it.
Sally: Yes, please rate us and review us wherever you listen to podcasts. And, Rachel, happy anniversary.
Rachel: Happy anniversary. You can also follow us on Twitter @ohilikethatpod or email us at ohilikethatpod@gmail.com. You can also follow us. I'm @the_rewm and Sally is @sallyt.
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